User talk:Ronga

Hi there! I added a new section to the Editing Guidelines relating to skill pages. I've noticed you've been contributing to skill pages a lot, so please take a moment to read it before you make any more changes to those! We already have a system in place for those, we just didn't adapt it to all yet; it would be great if you could use that. =) Thank you very much for your contributions so far! — ividyon (talk) 18:09, 5 February 2014 (MST)

Could you please join the Mushpedia IRC chat for a bit? I'd like to speak to you about your recent wave of changes. — ividyon (talk) 03:44, 11 February 2014 (MST)

<deleted> (forget it. you don't want to talk. you don't bother) - ronga

While I definitely appreciate your contributions, you continue to deviate from the editing guidelines on how Skill pages should be organized, and keep adding "notes" and "tips" sections in many articles where they are not really warranted. Please avoid doing so in the future. — ividyon (talk) 04:06, 19 February 2014 (MST)

ok what's up? What's the point of lumping all info together? Better presentation? Good organization? Good sense of web design? One section is not overkill. I did not break your guideline. Tips/notes are definitely needed. It is a game guide after all. It's good there is a specific section people can put their tips to help newbies. You attract contributions in this way. They will contribute more if you put a specific section so they know exactly what you expect them to give. It is harder if you want people to write from scratch. You need pointers to guide them and motivate them to contribute.

"definitely appreciate your contributions" Action speaks louder than words. When I see a deletionist owner who is revert-happy and has zero respect on people's hard work and contributions, do you really think their contributions are welcome, or do they just want to keep the info the way they want to see and cannot accept other people ideas? I'm not talking about me although I'm one of the victims. Think about it. You spent hours writing an article or contributing. Then someone in power thinks it is not up to their taste so they are happy to revert all your work with a single mouse click. How would you feel this "appreciation"? Deletionists are often control freaks and are harmful on wiki, especially when they are the ones in power.

Let action speak for themselves. I will help them to clean up if their contributions are messy (while keeping most of their contributions) when I'm an admin on another wiki. Reverting are strictly used on vandalism. I will *never* revert people work easily. It is a community project. I know everyone who contributes should be respected. - ronga

As the actual owner of this wiki, I support every rollback and deletion I've seen. Most of the deletions are things that don't need to be there, are in the wrong place, or are contrary to the goal of the wiki. Ividyon has asked you to please follow the template that has been set up and it's a fair request. If you can't give the admins your respect while we're working to get the wiki filled out, what right do you have to demand respect to your changes that don't follow a few simple guidelines?

The vast majority of the changes to actual content that Ivi or I have made have been in the form of cleanups. And I don't think I've ever seen anyone delete "hours of work". If it has happened, please feel free to point that out to me and I'll see if I can figure out what happened. In the meantime, if you want respect, you need to give a little respect. And as shitty as it is to say it, I'm gonna go ahead and say it anyway. If you can't respect the guidelines that we've set up for the wiki and that we've put countless hours into figuring out how to get the information there, then we're better off without your contributions. Spacekadt (talk) 13:54, 23 February 2014 (MST)