User talk:Ividyon

Templates

Is there any reason you want the templates for things like APs and glory to have the word after them? I think "some action costs 3 " is better than "some action costs 3 AP". It's how the game handles it, and it looks less redundant. With template:ap (my template) if you mouse over it says AP, and I intended to make it a link to something about AP as soon as there was something suitable to link to.

There is now template:AP (yours, used with {{AP}}) and template:Ap (mine, used with {{ap}}). We should just use one of them. MP has the same situation.

I do think the AP template should have options for special skill points, I just hadn't gotten around to it. We should keep that from yours.

Lastly, filling up the recent changes is my job! —Cimanyd

I actually absolutely wasnt aware those templates already exist! As you noticed, the wiki has this awful issue of case sensitivity, and I just punched in "AP" and "MP" and didn't find anything, so I figured I was the first to make it. My inspiration came from the excellent Dota 2 Wiki and its usage of templates.

I'm actually torn on the issue myself; I believe that AP looks more elegant, because it's the same with Glory and Morale. The game is not really a point to refer to in this issue, since its usage isn't uniform at all; sometimes you get "3 ", sometimes it's "3 AP", sometimes it's even "3 Action points ()"! Really silly. That also opens up another issue, namely how to treat tooltips and descriptions taken from inside the game... as they have haphazard, non-uniform usage of AP icons and texts all over the place, you can't really replace them all with wiki templates without altering them from their original phrasing. (which I personally think isn't an issue, but opinions may differ)

Personally like to keep it the way I did it, though this opens up some issues for job-specific AP, as you need to add "s" behind 2 {{AP|IT}} to make it "2 s", etc. This may require some more elegant coding, but this is my first contact with MediaWiki so idk (yet)! - Ividyon (talk) 09:20, 18 December 2013 (MST)

I had forgotten how inconsistent the game itself is. My opinion is, for the wiki (anything not supposed to be copied from the game), we should just use 3 , 3 , etc. and for places where the in-game stuff is copied, just say "3 [[Image:pa slot1.png]]", "3 [[Image:pa slot1.png]] '''AP'''", "3 Action Points ([[Image:pa slot1.png]])", or whatever, to match what's in the game.

To link to an external website, you use [website text], not [website|text].

This will be confusing to anyone reading it after the templates are changed... —Cimanyd

I went and changed the formatting on our talk so it won't be confusing to anyone!

I'm still not convinced. It may be redundant to someone who got to know the game, but anyone else won't immediately draw the connection that blue is Movement and red is Action, or that it's even supposed to be points. The image could, of course, link to articles explaining the points, but then again it won't be guaranteed that people mouse-over and realize the image is a link. Lastly, the various job action points like cook, gardening, IT etc. really aren't recognizable as AP on first glance.

There are cases where both types can be useful, but ultimately we should decide on a "default" type of writing which should be uniformly used across the wiki, with exceptions where applicable. (The one we decide against can remain an optional template argument for experienced editors) My vote remains on the extended style. - Ividyon (talk) 10:12, 18 December 2013 (MST)